Stop saying Real Soon Now and learn how to ship. I recommend MSFT as an example of a company who excel in this regard.

I agree. It should be better to announce that candidates are out. Error bars of a week (plus or minus a week) are too coarse and it doesn't sounds very professional.

At least Asa gives an estimate of when the release is unlike the U.S. Government ;-)

@talloc(): Oh yeah.. so according to MSFT, alpha 2 will be in... late 2006?

Are we talking about the same company?

He's announcing that *TEST CANDIDATES* will be released soon, give him a break.

Go find somewhere else to complain, than nit-picking about the release schedule for release candidates for an alpha of a product that is still a few more alphas away. *Sheesh*, you are all pathetic complainers.

First of all this is alpha so yes give him a break. Second of all this is not the official blog of the mozilla foundation. This asa blog.

Asa,

I hear you mention the terms "candidate builds" or "candidates" alot. Are "candidate builds" the same thing as a "release candidate," or are there some differences between the terms? It always seems that "candidate builds" are just nightlys, while "release candidates" get their own release directory. Is this correct?

I can't wait. So when does anyone predict Firefox 1.5 to be released if at all? as well as what will become Firefox 1.1?

talloc() - when was Longhorn shipping again?

Jmack,

I am not sure I follow your question. 1.5 - "if at all?" It will be released. But after 1.1, which will be the next official release. For more check out the road map: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/roadmap.html. And by the way, 1.5 is being listed as a 2006 release. All of that is of course subject to change.

> talloc() - when was Longhorn shipping again?

They only have some issues with the new IE7-browser ;-) Users say it should support web standards (CSS, PNG, RSS, etc), tabbed browsing, be even more secure and other difficult stuff (from Microsoft's point of view). Well, actually it should look something like Mozilla Firefox...

I'm running latest nightly build and are crashing a lot. Almost everytime it's related to poping up a new window. Hopefully it's fixed really soon.

Henrik, you have an extension problem, because the recent nightly builds are VERY stable :)

In fact, they're getting better and better!

Asa, my biggest concern with the current Deer Park builds is the assortment bfcache bugs (although they are slowly getting squashed). IMO, bfcache is going to need more regression testing than we'll have time for if too many bugs miss the next alpha.

Something I'd like to see is a full-scale test run of the new update system, perhaps with specific nightlies or between this alpha and the next (or the beta).

From a developer point of view, I think Themers would like the assurance that there will be no major UI changes for them to deal with, so they can start updating their themes for 1.1.

I'd also like to bring your attention to the "Menu bloat" thread once again (in Mozillazine General). We're getting close to a point where we have some fairly well debated points we'd like to communicate to Mozilla.org. How would you like us to proceed with this? Not sure when you're freezing localisation, but it could impact upon it.

@Martijn Weisbeek - I suppose you're right since nearly every other new Longhorn feature has been postponed or is going to be backported :P

timfry, I meant to put firefox 1.0.5.. if it were even coming out at all.

Asa, do you plan to bump the branding on the trunk to 1.8b3 before 1.1a2 is released?

Jmack - I'm expecting a 1.0.5 eventually, but not just to fix the one highly publicized regression. It's a fairly minor vulnerability and rather difficult to exploit.

Saturday's builds 20050618 still show rv:1.8b2 in the user agent string.

I found the builds very stable & I happy to see they finally allowed you to switch the order of the tabs although I think this has only been added on recent builds.

Hello, could somebody give me the address where I could download Mozilla 1.7.9 (pre-release version) for Windows ??