It's a shame that (insert-almost-any-web-page) doesn't even validate. What else is new... :-/

Woo hoo! /me validates ( http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fnslog.com%2Fstyles-site.css ).

It's a bummer that so many stick with the default templates to begin with. :-)

Thanks for the pointer. I'll note this, as we're hoping to fix up the style sheets (some rendering bugs, some typos like this) for the next point release. Some our most influential users *cough*Mena*cough* use Safari as their primary browser, so I'm sure we'll get this in on the next round of updates for the styles.

I've never been able to get the letter-spacing tag to work in safari. Compare http://inthesetimes.com/ in mozilla or ie and then in safari. The top nav bar should have a .15 letterspacing applied to it. :( I wish I could get this to work, even if I'm the only person that ever visits the site with safari.

letter-spacing works just fine for me, but I specify it in px.

I believe Dave is referring to the period before "none." Look closely.

> It's a shame that (insert-almost-any-web-page) doesn't even validate. What else is new... :-/

But one would expect that tools that generate web pages would generate valid markup at least when used with default settings.

OK, let's not beat up on Movable Type too badly. It was using valid XHTML on day 1, and contained no code that would produce invalid XHTML unless the end user changed their templates to produce it. It's also come a long way with accessibility improvements in its default templates and CSS, especially in 2.5 and 2.6. And as you can see from the response here, the CSS will be corrected in the next point release.

In short, we could do a lot worse. Ever seen the HTML that Radio produces, or the default templates that come with it? It's Tag Soup of the worst order, not even close to valid HTML 4, and the product has no capability to produce any sort of XHTML without the end user hacking the program itself.

Here's a fun story: http://www.google.com/search?q=broder%3D0+radio

It's nice to have a MoveAble type representative, Anil (see his comment above) reading Surfin' Safari.

Anil, that's great news. Thanks for the response.

If you ever get this bad at coding...just find a new profession:

http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/319360/2003-04-20/2003-04-26/0

This probably isn't the place for this comment, but I'm not sure where to post it. I love Safari and have been using it as my primary browser since the first public beta. One strange thing I've noticed though is that when you click on the scroll bar, it effectively pauses the page rendering. If I click on the scroll bar and hold it (even without moving it) no images will render until it is let go. I often grab and hold the bar to move through a long page, and it means that the images don't appear until I let go, let them render and then grab the bar again

This is the wrong spot to post this question, but here goes: why does Safari render Surfin' Safari with the red theme? I liked the blue one.

Mr. Hyatt:

I apologize for posting this as an off-topic comment, but you (perhaps quite wisely) do not offer an e-mail address link.

I wished to alert you to an essay John Gruber recently wrote regarding interface differences between iTunes 4 and Safari. I think you might find it quite useful.

http://daringfireball.net/2003/05/interface_details_itunes_vs_safari.html

Thank you, very much, for Safari.

Mike

funny, i just finished reading that site before i checked here for an update. he has a few good points and a few not so good ones. first of all iTunes does support clickthrough when it is needed. second of all, the search function is FINE the way it is and does NOT need a label under it. Putting 'Google' in the bar and 'Search' under it is redundant. Google means Search to about 80% of the web I would venture to guess.

Just to add one more off topic comment...

How about a separate comment window for "off-topic" comments, and include a little reminder right here next to the comment form to keep it on topic. I love seeing people's Safari ideas and such, but I also would rather see comments on an update actually be pertinent.

As I break my own suggestion...

Sorry for the offtopic post. If there would definitely be two separate sections for on and offtopic posts, you would really need a safari UI pref to tell the difference. Like maybe it can have its own section in the main prefs. But for those that don't WANT that pref, there should be a pref to turn it off. We will catch Mozilla yet.

The over-arching topic here is the layout engine inside Safari (called Web Core, based on the open source KHTML) and getting it to display buggy real world web sites very well while at the same time supporting W3C standards to such a high degree that we can start marking up sites using those standards (aka ideals) to their full potential.

For other people to bring up graphical user interfaces or the possible convinces of blog readers seems the work of unfocused minds.

"For other people to bring up graphical user interfaces or the possible convinces of blog readers seems the work of unfocused minds."

Or minds who would like to bring something to the attention of a web designer, and have no other way to do it.

For Mr. Gaudette to feel the need to insult others so seems the work of a mind suffering from a superiority complex.

Speaking of flow, I'm having difficult keeping my flow in order since I can't listen to audio broadcasts of baseball games from mlb.com. After signing in, instead of downloading the audio file, the window closes and you are left with nothing except IE to get you through it all. Please make mlb.com work for us remaining baseball fans. Are there really that few of us that this isn't getting reported?