Could you simulate an IFRAME? They effectively have the same desired behavior as overflow:auto; I don't know the specifics of how KHTML is implemented, but it seems like the engine already allows what you're trying to do.

But who am I to question what you're doing? I'm sure you've selected the best course.

Sweet! Good work.

i love reading stuff like this. it makes me appreciate my surfing experience so much more.

thanks for your good work - and keeping us all so well-informed on the progress!

Could Safari be the first browser to successfully implement keyboard navigation on overflowed elements? :)

Great work, but one thing that is still bothering me is the lack of support for frames. One so often the target frame goes blank when visting a page with frames. Reload gets the blank page to dissapear and the real page to show, but that should not be nescessary. Is it difficult to get the browser to show frames? I always thought it was a simple technology. But what do I know :)

Is it hard to allow for text in input boxes to have a colour property or is that something that could be fixed really easily. This is 100% selfish of me but our corporate application does not work without that facility. IE allows it just fine. If it were a quick fix, I'd appreciate it tremendously. Thanks in advance and even if this is not an easy fix or you can't get round to it - I love Safari. Congratulatons on your work so far. Safari has that inexplicable quality of Mac software - I can't tell you why exactly, but I love it.

Bruce

Safari is making leaps and bounds..

Any ideas on why ign.com sites seem so slow compared to Camino?

Happy Easter Dave, God's Speed.

"Is it hard to allow for text in input boxes to have a colour property or is that something that could be fixed really easily"

I agree, I miss css-styles on input-things. It's great that it has the look and feel of OSX, but sometimes the styles actually have a meaning, like a red border around fields not properly filled, and so on. Maybe you could draw it "correctly" when styles are applied, and give it the OSX-look if no styles are applied? It's no big deal to me, my target-group is unfortunately not using Safari anyway (Wintel intranet) :-(

But it may give a usability-problem in some cases?

Woo, that's what I've been waiting for.

Also, since you have the popUP blocker, can we get rid of the popUNDERS? ;)

Easter egg!

Okay there is a easter egg in Safari, problem is I dont know how to reproduce it.

Last week I was surfing along and all of a sudden a huge elephant roar came from my computer. Scared the hell out of me. I was on think secret and spymac when this occured. I have since tried to reproduce it but alas I cannot.

Anyone else have this occur?

Thomas

Cocoa can change the background color of text fields, even though it doesn't look so great... that's more of a Cocoa problem though. Dave could probably implement it if he wanted. As for some of the other elements like push buttons someone would have to get the graphic designers to free up the Photoshop files so that you could have dynamic colors ala iChat.

First off, awesome browser. Words cannot express, etc., etc...

One feature I have enjoyed seeing in particluar is the integration of the loading bar with the URL box. I had a similar idea while working on the now-defunct Intel Web Tablet (see URL) project as a graphic designer on the human factors team. The goal then was to save space on an already crowded UI on a small TFT screen. We also implemented a very similar tabs model to address screen size limits.

The only caveat was, and one that is painfully obvious in Safari, is that one cannont enter an URL while a page is loading. This is a "feature" that is taken for granted when IE. It allows the user to enter a URL while the page is loading. This is especially nice when IE has started up and the default page is loading. When a user has opened their browser to go to a specific URL, and they can override the default URL. In Safari, the user must first stop the page from loading, second select the URL text in the URL box and then type the new URL in.

There may be technical limitations that require this "bug" to occur, but there must be a way to overcome them.

I don't know if this board is a forum for submitting ideas, but I'll submit one anyway:

I attempted to use the tabs feature to act as a quick way to open up my favorite pages in separate tabs all at once. I set up a bookmarks folder on the bookmarks bar that contained 5 of my favorite sites. I could then click on "open in tabs" at the bottom of the drop-down menu. This proved to be novel, but didn't fully satisfy my needs.

What I want is the ability to have multiple homepages open up in separate tabs upon start up or new window. The user would go to preferences to set their homepage but would have the ability to specify more than one (as many as they want, in fact). Upon startup or new window, Safari would open each homepage in a separate tab. This would also provide the ability to leave one tab blank, possibly the first one, creating a work-around to the "loading bar URL box" caveat.

That's my 2 cents, for all it's worth. Once again, great work, just the kind of compelling software I've come to admire. Please continue to raise the bar.

Best,

David Stewart

Why does it take several seconds to open the first page after you launch Safari? Should it take that long to find the cache files? After the first page everything loads fast.

Frames and multi-column sites suck.

I don't like frame sites at all

nice... very nice....
what up with the styles on input thingies? like pulldowns and text fields etc.... when?!
otherwise very nice.....

Could you please make editing work the way it does in OmniWeb?

I dislike almost everything about OmniWeb, yet I use it to write articles because it has the best text editing features. Find & replace works in text areas (as well as the spell checker) and the newest version even has a feature to open a text area in a separate window.

If Safari did that, I'd have no reason to use OmniWeb.

it makes me nervous

I really agree with that last comment!