nice. now how about small-caps? ;)

Small-caps support is coming real soon now.

And the q tag? Please fix the q tag!

I just wanted to say that, DAMN, you're hypothetically quick! :)

I suppose that hypothically speaking, one could assume that the problem of unwanted enormous typesizes would be noticed, if we were to discuss text decoration?

My pet bug is now full media="print" support. Causing bad probs here with some internal web apps.

http://centricle.com/lab/css/media-print/

Speaking of bugs, Dave, can your crew do something about improving printing performance? It drags big time with complicated pages on my HP 8000DN, which is usually no slouch handling such things. Then you could get on with elimninating the problems with clipped text that sometimes appears at the top and bottom of the pages from time to time.

Or is printing way down on your priority list?

Just asking...

Just asking

I found a new bug today <gloat>when trying to track the shipment of my new PowerBook 12"</gloat>...

When opening a link in a new window, the page referrer string is not passed. Therefore, when trying to view my shipment tracking from the Apple Store, the tracking page delivers an error because it relies on getting the correct Apple Store referrer. I tried it in IE, and it works fine.

Sorry to post an "Apple site doesn't work in Safari" bug ;)

Castor, can you elaborate? What is the "problem with enormous type sizes"?

Safari does not seem to support Windows Media Player Plug-In. I tried several link on Korean Sites, but it does not work. It crashed or it did nothing...

While we're reporting bugs, I've got a couple I'd like to see fixed over here:

http://www.alexking.org/blog/index.php?p=125

I'm sure they'll be taken care of in due time - right? :-)

Well I'm not Castor but I'm having the same problem. v62 renders

http://arstechnica.infopop.net/

pretty badly at times. Single characters fill the whole screen sometimes. Other times the text just appears 100pt. I don't have this problem with v60.

I'll file a formal bug report.

hyatt, please don't post stuff that risks the existence of this blog or your job.

I'm assuming Apple is okay with it, but it seems like Apple has fired people for leaking the slighest information.

Dear hypotheticall Dave, i was realy loling on this :) i would like to notice, that if someone did run it, maybe he would like to inform you, that on some pages, like www.mobil.cz, www.palmare.cz, www.technet.cz, this hypothetical version should misbehave and looks realy ugly. But i belive that this never happend and it was just bad dream during waiting for v65 :)

Hypothetically, thanks! Can't wait for the next non-hypothetic, that is, actual build.

If there were a build 62, and it didn't have a feature called 'open in tabs' like Pheonix 0.5, could it have one ?

:-)

Perhapsmy coding is just plain bad but on a few sites I use non repeating background elements in the css. Safari doesn't like them much.

www.gigaWorks.net for the quickest most obvious example. That background and is supposed to be right aligned and not repeat.

This problem existed before any "hypothetic" builds too :)

Adrian, is that hypothetical feature the option to open all the items in a folder on the browser bar each in it's own tab? That is a feature that ROCKS. Really, it's the only thing that has made me think that tabs were useful and not just a fad.

I am MIGHT be using v62 IF such a thing existed and I noticed that after you close a tab the original browser window sometimes doesn't go to its original size. It doesn't happen to everyone but it happens me.

Good work, in theory. Keep it up!

Michael...

I think what adrian means is a setting so that links clicked on in other applications (email, netnewswire etc,) open a new tab, ala chimera, not a new window...

if you're gonna add tabs, this is really essential, or you still end up with a multitude of windows....

erm... hypothetically....

Surely, such an hypothetical build would support Keychain perfectly, right? I mean hypothetical tabs are nice and all but REAL support for Keychain would be even nicer... Better contextual menu as well (why no back and forward in the contextual menus?)...

Anyway, keep the (really) good work!

If all of that were the case, it'd be very impressive of Mr Hyatt to have fixed the hypothetical bug so quickly. Kudos.

feature request:

group tabs bookmarks!! group tabs bookmarks! (everyone chant along)

grouping tabs into one bookmark, therefor one click opens all sites into a group of tabbed pages.

don't care if it's hypothetical, don't care if it's real, as long as i can use it on my machine :-)

dave hyatt, this weblog rox.

Are you aware of any border-collapse bugs?

http://homepage.mac.com/santry/safaribugs/table-border-collapse.html

The URL links to my list of suggestions for the Safari web browser. Some of them may have been fixed already.

Minor requests...

Any chance of option-spacebar to page UP in addition to spacebar to page DOWN?

Also, selectable download history deletions? I like to keep some around for reloads if the file is lost, corrupted, or otherwise, but don't want to keep all listed.

What do you think of SHIFT+SPACE to go page UP?! Works in all the other OS X apps. Haven't actually tried if it really does also work in Safari, but I imagine it would.

OK I Hypothetically Love the tabs but how does the autofilling work? Hypothetically speaking of course.

taewon : The Windows Media Plugin only works with Internet Explorer. The plugin is not Netscape-compatible.

Kevin, you can use shift+space to page up in many OS X apps, including Safari.

I realize that the MENU tag is deprecated, but it would be nice of this hypothetical version of Safari could fix the bug where the first LI under MENU is indented and the rest are not.

Mr. Hyatt:

Thanx for your dedication. You're the surest sign that Apple is letting people with common sense
the http://www.u2.com/u2.html simply refuses to open correctly. The main toolbar nerver show up and the timeline stays in LOADING forever.

As a U2 fan I feel obliged to implore you to fix this a soon as possible. Please do it at least "In the name of love!" for the greatest browser in the world working in the greatest OS in the universe!

If someone hypothetically was under NDA and had access to the appleseed web site (discussion groups) and hypothetically wanted to download a new build as listed in one of the messages you just might be presented with the following hypothetical message:

"IMPORTANT: Downloads do not currently work with the public preview version of Safari. Please download using another browser."

This hasn't changed even with 'a friends' copy of Safari.

Dave

Another hypothetical - is it possible in this v.62 hooplah that pages like www.versiontracker.com and others with default tables (no attributes) that the border now might be big, clunky thick and black?

Kevin, open your Bookmarks page, select History, and manage as you wish...

Dave, can you comment on the visibility of bugs submitted via Safari itself? Are they as likely (or more or less likely) to be seen as those posted on Blogs and added here as comments? I submitted a couple of problems with textRanges and insertCell() last week, but I'd be happy to create a website for them if that would work better ;-)

Dave,

Check out this link:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101030303-426049,00.html

Text looks all wrong.

I've noticed pseudo classes :first-letter and :first-line do not currently work in Safari (as of v62, although it was better in v60, by the way). Any progress on these?

If you're going to post a bug, be more explicit. For example, the ars technica site looks fine on my Safari. Is there a specific URL that is problematic? Is the issue repeatable? And the tim.com page looks mostly OK. What does the "text looks all wrong" mean?

The dude got his bug fixed promptly because he was extremely explicit. We could all learn from such.

While we are on the subject: It would be cool if you could fix + to increase the font size to only trigger when + is pressed, rather than triggering when = is pressed as well.

The = causes problems with OmniDictionary as you can't now highlight words in Safari and get OmniDictionary to display the meaning via a keyboard shortcut because of this behavior.

I filed this one as a bug a while back.

If I had tried out tabs on a hypothetical v62 I wouldn't have been impressed :-)

What I like most about Safari is its simple elegance. Tabs would disturb this elegance because they are only slightly different from bookmarks: Selecting either essentially means "show me this page". The main difference is latency -- clicking a tab shows the page instantly, while clicking or selecting a bookmark starts downloading the page.

I still hope that some real version of Safari will introduce some clever extension of the bookmark concept that includes what people like about tabs. E.g. "hot bookmarks": A way to "preload" any bookmark so that selecting it shows the page instantly. Bookmark folders could replace tab groups. "Open in a new tab" could become "Create and preload bookmark". And so on. Am I dreaming?

[quickly covering under flameproof suit...]

Re: Gigaworks.net your image repeat bug is because you can't say "right top" although Chimera appears to allow it. The proper way is "top right". Hope that works :)

If there were a Safari v62, it'd be a big shame if that build didn't support https proxy support.

Please use XUL for the UI in Safari.

That way we can use tabbed browsing extensions and the UA bar.

Thanx.

XUL? C'mon! XUL is okay for what it does for Mozilla but its not for Safari. Remember Safari is a beta and many of us here are might be using a leaked beta version of a beta. Give it a chance.

Good lord no, please don't ever use XUL for the UI in Safari. If you want an XUL browser, use Mozilla.

XUL? Please go stick your head in a pig.
(If the preceding was sarcasm, so is this. If it was not, this is not either.)

-Ahem- .. If i had v62 i think i would think like this :
1. Should be a option like "Open all links in tabs"
2.Would be cool if you could change the look of the tabs in options or something like that.. Like.. Choose to have the tabs to the left, bottom. right etc. an option to have thumbnails in the tabs . or something like that , im just ..BAH! :)

the giant typesizes thing in the, ahem, most recent build of safari that i'm using happens like this:

sometimes, maybe 1 out of 10 times, when i launch safari, all text is rendered at, like, 1200 point. i mean, so large, that the only reason i noticed it was the text that was showing was that i scrolled down very fast, and gradually made out the curved edge of a gigantic lowercase letter "n" where the stem met the the top.

can't explain it, can't force that kind of behavior.

and it's been said before but, mr hyatt, thank you for your work, and your weblog. this is how communities really happen, and you are at the heart of it.

cheers
sam

"(If the preceding was sarcasm, so is this. If it was not, this is not either.)"

Yes, d, of course it was sarcasm.

I would never want to see BLUI used as the UI in Safari.

Daniel - you're assuming that is the only reason people use tabs. I use tabs to help organize my workspace. Instead of having 8 or 10 windows open I can have one and organize my work accordingly.
- Paul

What about the scrolling bug?

Safari is the ONLY app i see this strangeness. I can not get any other app to do this.
Tested with M$ and Logitech mouse/drivers and by a dozen others on their setups.

Find a web page that is at least a few screens of scrolling in length now spin your mouse
wheel to scroll down. (for me I roll wheel towards me) AND AT THE SAME TIME move your
mouse towards you also. The more and faster you do both at the same time the easier
to see this bug. For me scrolling stutters or scrolls some and jumps back or doesn't scroll
at all. Same thing happens when i scroll up and move mouse at the same time away from
me.

I also noticed that Safari is the only app I can not set scroll speed with M$ drivers that came
with this optical mouse or usboverdrive. It appears safari is doing its own scrolling speeds etc...

Also i noticed on my normal settings. When i scroll down (wheel roll towards me)
but move mouse away from me then scrolling goes into ludicrous speed. I mean
whole pages worth and totally uncontrollable with just a slight wheel movement.

Furthermore, i noticed that every now and then the content will jump about a
half page, i would be reading and not doing any scrolling or mouse movement
and get a content jump. I think now it has to do with this scrolling bug but why
the delay. I mean it could happen 10 seconds after any scrolling/mouse movement.

I really don't miss tabs now that I'm using Safari and Pith together.

I am posting this comment here since it seems that your version of trackback is not compatible with mine! Bah! Use pingback!

Err... anyway I found a flash/tabs related bug, maybe.

If you catch this Dave go here and take a look: http://www.chrisjdavis.ath.cx/minimal?m=200302#265

I have to second that mousewheel scroll bug. Kind of annoying, you scroll down rapidly only to find yourself higher up in the document.

And the hypethetical tab thing is cool, I assume that drag and drop support for URL's will be implemented in later builds? The inability to drag links to the tab area, or existing tabs (would) suck.

Loving Safari, it is really nice to have our own (kick ass) browser!

Just want to add details on the "text is all wrong" comment posted by someone earlier (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101030303-426049,00.html)...
What I see (and I assume that's what this other user sees as well) is text rendered in a "grunge" font! letters are distorted and have what looks like ink blots all around them. Strange thing is it actually looks deliberate, not like messed up text!

This bug is also visible on salon.com (randomly) and a few other sites i visit. I haven't read anything about this bug anywhere even though it's consistent on my two macs at home, and the four macs at our studios. It was the first bug I reported, 5 minutes after using Safari for the first time - which was five minutes after Macworld ended!

Anyone else seen this?

One more thing...
I get this text bug officially AND hypothetically... ;-)

There is a strange bug in Safari v.62 that occasionally draws a gray thin horizontal line near the bottom of the page that is visible if I scroll the page down...

Indeed, the whole mouse scrolling issue is a huge pain.
I've also noticed the "grey line at the bottom of the screen" problem in the hypothetical v.6.2 Safari build.

Also, I've submitted a bug about cnet.com many times now, and I was supprised to see that it wasn't fixed in 6.2, being that cnet is a pretty large site with a huge userbase.

Anyways, much praise, Hyatt.
jesse ;-)

It's great that the Safari team is addressing all these CSS bugs, but shouldn't we also be calling attention to some of the more fundamental issues that need to be ironed out?

Like, for instance, form submission from text fields.

1) Text submitted from a TEXTAREA (and possibly a TEXT field too) gets the final return character truncated from it on submission. Others have noted this too.

2) "Smart Quotes" (and other characters, like em dashes) get converted to question-marks during submission. No other browser does this-- I think they must convert them to normal quotes. It's never caused a problem before, so I never really paid attention.

3) Safari doesn't use the universally-accepted standard CR/LF sequence for line terminators in submitted text, but rather plain LFs. I've had to rewrite all my server-side code to take this into account. There's an RFC for this...

4) If you have an onSubmit function that returns true or false, Safari submits the form EVEN if the function returns false. False is supposed to prevent it from submitting.

These are all issues that make blogging difficult using Safari. :) I'd much rather have these addressed in the near term than esoteric CSS, though again I'm very glad the latter is being worked on.

If there were a hypothetical version that supported tabs, I might want those tabs to look and work like this animation:

http://www.procata.com/mac/safari.html

To Paul, regarding my proposal to unify tabs and bookmarks:

You can organize your workspace just as easily using "preloaded" or "instant" bookmarks as you can using tabs. In both cases you work in only one window. If you need several different workspaces then use several different bookmark sets.

It all boils down to how easily bookmarks can be managed.

Instead of having typical tabs on/near the tool bar, how about this.

When you drag one window so that is covers another, maybe with a modifier key held down, they snap together appearing as one window but with a tab for each on the left hand side. This way they aren't mistaken for bookmarks (although that's not a problem for me), also it gets around the issue of closing one window and accidentally closing the contents of every tab, each window still only contains one page.

I beleive this is how the BeOS worked with windows in general but as it doesn't like my Voodoo 5 and won't work on my Cube I'll never know!

Damn, I have been posting my bugs through Safari!!! I didn't know they were supposed to go on this person's blog!

if there was a safari b63, it'd be very nice to have tab groups ala thewebrowserformerlyknownaschimera... (dont know what kinda symbol that'd be, but it might look something like a male symbol crossed with a chevy logo..)

Hey, here's another hypothetical bug from your hypothetical friends at ESPN.com:

We just launched a redesigned all CSS front page a couple of weeks ago and it of course looks perfect in Safari (and in fact, renders faster in Safari than any other browser, Mac or PC), except for some standard anchor links in our DHTML tabs on the right side of the front page. The links in the colored tabs often produce errors or nothing when clicked. You can see the page here:

http://espn.com

or, I've distilled the problem section down to a few lines of code here:

http://www.mdavidson.com/safari_anchor_bug.html

Such a weird bug! If we just remove the "tabpadding" div tags, it works fine. Or if we remove the br and text after the anchor it works fine. What could possibly be the cause of this???

Such a great site even for non-programmers like me. It is a shame that so much has to be in the hypothetical sense. I know this is because of Apple policies and I wonder how much of that is due to past lawsuits and fears of class action lawsuits.

I do enjoy Safari. Keep up the good work.

It sure is nice to be able to open all these non-hyperlinked URLs with a simple double-click and a right-click Go to Address ;)

My problem is basically exactly the same as sam's. He describes it better though :-)

If there were a .62, I might have posted some comments and screen grabs of some weirdness with text-decoration here:

http://concretewerk.com/weblog2/2003/02/28#safaris_tabs_20030228

I tried sending a trackback but I haven't figured out how to use them -- my tb.cgi throws an error. *sigh*

if there were a v62, and I had it, it would be nice if, when I have two tabs open, and close one, that hypothetical one-tab-left wouldnt collapse the tab bar.

a hypothetical feature similar to "show tabs when only one window open" (or whatever its called) in Mozilla, in other words.

For anybody that does not know it already - Dave is not responsible for any UI part within safari, but with the rendering engine.

Just post a bug within safari.

I dont want to annoy the friendly Dave for putting suggestions on comments, however; any chance of more (ie any) printing options. Id like to have atleast the webpage address printed on the page.

ABOUT TOO BIG FONT

look at http://www.starwars.com/
font size is too big, and this happens since v60...

Good Job anyway

"group tabs bookmarks!! group tabs bookmarks! (everyone chant along)"

ne)(us

Hypothetically Speaking...will Software Update catch the difference when the public release is posted ... and update, or will it just ignore and report no new updates?

Ed - when I hypothetically installed v62, software update would hypothetically think that I hadnt installed the 2-12 build yet, and would want to install that one as an "upgrade".

In this hypothetical version of Safari, would it be hypothetically possible to hypothetically make it so that when a page is hypothetically opened in a new tab, it is hypothetically ordered in the tab bar next to the page it was hypothetically opened from, so that when I hypothetically close it it hypothetically goes back to the page I was hypothetically looking at before I hypothetically opened it?

Hypothetical thanks.

The problem with enormous text sizes can be fixed by trashing Safari's preferences.

Can I make a hypothetical feature request re: printing? I'd like a "fit to page" option, and a preview like that other unmentionable browser which nonetheless did a few things right.

I bet I would really like v62 if I were using it, but I'm sure I would want it to open a tab behind the current one when I click a link with my middle mouse button.

I had a dream about a Safari build with the build number - 62. It used a toolbar like Mail.app. Creating a new tab loaded that tab in the background instead of changing focus directly to it. Clicking a link in a another app caused the current window to open a new tab. And a web page that required login automatically grabbed my information from the keychain (thanks to another browser faithfully using a great Mac technology and putting those items in the keychain). Basically, in this dream, it worked a lot like that other browser - except faster.

Hey that's a great tip Dale Sorel, but I have to triple-click in order to select a line. While a double click highlights a word, it apparently won't connect a web address together.

In any case for those who don't know, you can highlight a web address and control click (or right click) and you get a menu that says:"Go To Address", "Copy", and "Google Search". If you just select a word and control click it, you get: "Copy" and "Google Search." A nice time saver.

An additional tip: If you happen to want to, say, open a tab behind the current one, you can hold command and shift when you click the link.

An easy way to find other key-combos is to enable the status bar from the view menu. and hold random key-combos as you hover the cursor above a link. The status bar shows the link destination as well as how it will display it such as: "Open in a new window behind the current window".

Hint: add the option key to make new windows instead of new tabs.

Has anyone else using the non-existant v62 noticed that if you close a page with quicktime content loading ... safari crashes ... anyone? It happens every single time. Try it out ... go to a page with a large quicktime, close the window before the movie is completed loading ... whammo ... crash!

hopefully this bug will be fixed ... i mean ... if it were a bug ... seeing that no one can really test this since v62 does not exist

Oh ... it seems to happen while flash content is loading too ... yup ... it does

This may be a tad off-topic but I am not sure where to air requests for support for iframes in Safari. I have a site which uses them for JSRS(JavaScript Remots Scripting) communication to a db for dynamic updating of a page. The site utterly barfs with safari but works great with IE, Moz Chimera and and many PC browsers. The popularity of Safari is a great concern for me as far too many OSX visitors can't enjoy the great art on this site.

I have noticed that, in Safari Beta 60, the text is very crowded and crammed against the left edge of the window when I read my local newspaper www.columbiatribune.com

I reported this bug then, but, alas there has been no release since then to check and see if this bug were fixed. Then, last week, I had a, um, vision. Yeah, that's it! I had a vision. In my vision, I had the strong premonition that the text crowding problem in my version of Beta sixty...sixty-two? (I think that's what I see, but it is foggy) had not yet been fixed. For those who doubt this vision, I will tell you what I read about the weather forcast for central Missouri. At the time I envisioned, the weather was cold, damp, and generally unpleasant. Given that this rarely if ever happens in Missouri in the February/March timeframe, you must admit that my vision is possibly genuine. :-)

Oh, I'm hopin' and a-prayin' that the preference is added to the next beta to control how Safari deals with external URLs - open in new window, open in existing window, or open it tab.

I haven't switched to Safari full-time because I can't stand windows popping up all over the place. Thanks, Hyatt!

And my, I thought I was supposed to report bugs with that little bug button. Shame on Apple for hiding this valuble bug-reporting site! Shame! I should post all my bugs here, then!

Oh lord, you people...

Jesus Christ codepoet, quit kissing hyatt's ass. Acting like you do gets you nothing but a beating in the parking lot.

Nick, I think it has something to do with the fact that v62 doesn't seem to destroy the entire html loading structure when you close the window. If I close a window that's still loading, then check the activity viewer later, I see that it's still alive. So what's probably happening is you close the window and the QuickTime control gets destroyed, but the loading code is still trying to use the QT handle to do stuff, which causes a crash as the handle is now defunct.

Hypothetically, if there were tabs in a build, then there should be an option to open tabs in the background. Most of use tabs to click on links we want to read (such as news.google.com or my.yahoo.com) without leaving the main news page. Then we can read the opened pages at leisure. Of course, if there were an option to open new windows in a tab so if another applicaiton, say NetNewsWire, opened a link, it would open in a background tab instead of a new window.

And the ability to print backgrounds would be helpful, since white text just dissappears now when you print.

Thanks muchly.

The AppleScript for showing thumbnail images on Apple web page do not work anymore on v.62

Also if I open many tabs some of them are posted outside the visible area of the window rather then opening another window.

Also java applets are multiplied as you scroll the window

mrbill said: when I hypothetically installed v62, software update would hypothetically think that I hadnt installed the 2-12 build yet, and would want to install that one as an "upgrade".

Maybe that would happen hypothetically, but in reality it does not. Reports no new updates.

Oh No mrbill, is my SW Update CP broken?

Where is Mary Roth?

In the hypothetical v62, opening a bookmark with no windows open crashes Safari.

:oops:

Also, how does Autofill work? There are no fields to fill in, does Safari just remember this info when you enter it x number of times?

Hypothetically, of course. :-)

If I hypothetically wre tping a comment on somenone's weblog from say a v62 build of Safari that might hypothetically have leaked out I would hope that the coders would appreciate how much such a hypothetical build kicks ass and take heart in knowing that many end users out here in the wild appreciate all the hypothetical work they've been up to.

So we don't have to be so hypothetical what are the possibilities of having nightly builds. I would definetly download nightly or even weekly builds, I am already doing it with Chimera/Camino.

If any hypothetical people hypothetically running a hypothetical tab-supporting browser are familiar with AppleScript, could they hypothetically see what tabs have done to the scripting model?
I'm really worried.

Hey Tassii: Try holding command-shift when you click a link to open the tab in the background.

the alleged (changed the word now) release of a v62 still allegedly does not work with my school site:

http://tychousa7.umuc.edu/sys/login.html?/WebTycho.nsf&0

thanks for looking - now any ideas?

CNaughton - it's pretty guaranteed that there will never be nightly/weekly builds available.

jim - after looking at that page, I don't understand how you're supposed to login. When you try to use the submit button, JavaScript gives the password field the focus and returns false, thus stopping the submit. So it seems like the site was incorrectly designed.

Kevin,

What is weird is that it works in IE 5.5 and Netscape 7 (both Win and Mac flavors)

I noticed that when you do click on submit, it seems to give focus to the password field in Safari, but it doesnt do that in IE or Netscape.

Thanks for looking

Jim,

It looks like Safari is choking on a poorly place form tag. There are actually two forms on that page and it looks like Safari is only seeing one. The terminating form tag is within a table td, but it starts outside of the table. Then the second one starts inside the table td and ends outside of the table.

Juan - ah. That seems like a poor design. It doesn't seem like it's valid HTML either to overlap the tags like that. I would highly suggest that the webmaster redesign that page.

Hypothetically, that would rock and we would all love Hyatt.
But it would be even cooler if form submit buttons didn't stop working if you attempted to submit a form and the page load failed.

Feanor - Hypothetically speaking, I actually haven't noticed that bug in v62. Hypothetically, did they fix it, or was I just lucky?

Unfortunately, whilst you can double-click a non-linked website address and select Go To Address from the contextual menu, you can't even copy to the clipboard links that belong to anything other than the http scheme.

I dunno if this has come up before, but has anyone noticed that if you use two alternate style sheets, and specify something in the :after { content: " "; } section for a div, etc, if the other style sheet has this set to anything else, including "" and none, when you click and change the active style sheet, the contents of the :after element remain. It behaves correctly in chimera 0.6 however..I guess if it still does it after the next release i'll submit a bug report..

Hypothetically, all you f*tards should be using the "bug" button.

I don't have mac os x, so i don't have safari; i've still got 8.6. I use mozilla and have 13 tabs open now, and so am very happy to hear about tabs hypothetically coming to safari. however, i wonder whether a bar with a breadcrumb of the previous, say, 5 urls you have been to, like a kind of back button would be better, given the UI problems which tabs create, since most people just use tabs as a way of doing this (see the UK's Independent today). probably a stupid idea, but I've forgotten my bugzilla password, so i thought i'd crank it on here.

Please sort out the cookies. I can't log into many of my favourite sites

If I did have such a browser, I would want: (1) To be able to bookmark groups of tabs. (2) To open new tabs in the background. (3) To be able to open a nearly infinate number of tabs in one window and have off-screen tabs appear as a pop-up text list (as with off-window toolbar items in Finder Windows). (4) Have Pith's ability to restore the current window configuration when re-starting after a crash.

But the one feature that seems most obviously missing is the ability to work off-line. Why can't I load pages from the cache like in MSIE?

hypothetically, if this version had tabs, when using the google search bar each new query should automatically open in a new tab. this would theoretically be a great feature! thanks.

I would like a very simple thing existing in IE for the Bookmarks Menu : the ability to put separators between folders and also between bookmarks themself.

Hypothetically speaking if tabs where to exist you could hypoteitcally never use them if you find them to be a UI nightmare. That is the great thing about computers is that you can have these things called preferences and then you can turn on or off certain functionalities of a program. If you don't like tabs you can still use Camino/Chimera all day long and never see a tab. If however you are like me, you need a clear way to jump between multiple sites quickly and managing this thru bookmarks could never be close to tabs ease. I may need to read documentation for a specific function in PHP, one in MySQL, and then the page I am working on, and lastly maybe PHP MyAdmin is open in another tab. I may not need to look at the documentation for the PHP function ever again once I have it working properly, so why add the overhead of managing it as a bookmark.

If there was a build v62, then I would have good reason to believe that I am reporting a bug. But seeing as there is no v62 and everything is in beta, then I am now simply reporting some strange behaviour that might occur in theory.

I have done my best to search for another report of this (bug?) and I haven't found it reported yet.

If you open a set of tabs in a window, you can close each tab using Command+W.

Now open a new (blank) window using Command+N. If you try to close this new window using Command+W, you have to press Command+W twice, not once.

Secondly, once you are back on your original tabbed window, click on any tab. Now close the tab using Command+W. Instead of the tab closing, the entire window closes.

So you have a situation where SOMETIMES Command+W closes the entire window, and at other times closes just the tab you are on. This can cause problems when you are doing some heavy-duty web browsing and don't know what to expect from Command+W.

Now here is a tip and not a bug. To switch between tabs use Command+Shift+Arrowkeys (L/R).

Hypothetically, it would also be neat if external apps could open new web pages as tabs in the same window. I have a news reader that opens articles in Safari. Instead of lots of windows it would be neat to have them all open in the same window but in different tabs. I understand not everyone likes this behaviour, so of course it would be nice if it were configurable.

I hope no one honestly believes that was Steve Jobs. Or that this is really Dave Hyatt's page. It's all a plot by the Bildebergers!

Hypothetically, if there were a hypothetical bug that hypothetically didn't allow me to log into my hypothetical ThinkGeek account, and hypothetically returned me to the hypothetical login page without my ever being hypothetically logged in, I would be hypothetically very happy if you were to hypothetically fix it, Dave... hypothetically speaking, of course. ;-)

To open google bar searches in new tabs, just press command while pressing return to do the search.

If there were a v62 build of Safari....how cool would it be if i could have a "scrapbook" life feature like in IE.....hypothetically of course...

The "hypothetically" thing was funny when Dave Hyatt did it. For the rest of you, it just looks stupid.

I really hope the tabs in the *secret* vversion of safari don't make it easy to close tabs when you just clicking through them (hypothetically I may have had some issues in that department) - But I know dave that the UI is not your department anyway so why am I posting here - lets just say I know you'll pass this on...

what about scolling div support?

ps think the thinkgeek login problem is a common one to do with javascript cookies and things - i have it on several sites. and have several sites where javascript is just ignored :( but works on ie and mozilla etc

It would be interesting to see how many requests have started to come in from the hypothetical v62 if it has its own user agent.

I wonder if you could do something about the hypothetical problem with safari when it comes to render pages on sites such as www.jihadunspun.net. It would be great to at last view them with the next non-hypothetical release perfectly.

Great work, keep it going!

Please, please address the option of disabling anti-aliased text under Safari, until then there's no way I'll switch from Chimera/Camino...

Cheers

hypotheticaly - of course

Pssst budy,
If there was a v64 and it crashed on 10.2.3 Server when visiting http://www.xbitlabs.com, it would be important right ?