You say "For those who want to add to a list of known issues...". Is there a public list of known issues? For example, I keep thinking "they must know about this printing bug" but then I think "but maybe it only happens on my antique LaserWriter Select 360, so I should report it".

An open list would be useful (and, yes, it would also probably cause lots of flamage...)

There's MacEdition's guide for CSS, and Diveintomark.org/safari for everything else.

Only problem with public buglists is that clueless folk assume this means that said browser (Safari, IE/Mac, Gecko-based) is more buggy than browsers without such lists (eg Windows IE).

Sure, I was going to sarcastically suggest that we make this comments area of Dave's Blog the de-facto Safari Bug-Tracks, but then we have all seen how some people seem blind to American humor.

'course KHTML wise there is a list of what Apple changed -- past tense. The KDE bug-tracks doesn't look appropriate for Safari bug tracking.

As far as an Apple lead bug tracker, you really want to see what everyone is shoveling back to Apple with the "bug" button? No way! Or make reporting bugs a complex action? Also no way!

And there is http://discussions.info.apple.com/ but what really becomes of all that banter when the thing is still v0.51 and should be in a high state of flux.

Peter-Paul Koch has some pretty good compatibility tables. It has a pretty good list of browsers and is pretty extensive.

Any idea if the title attribute dont showing tooltip bug was resolved or not?

I wouldn't know for sure, but the "no tooltip for title attr" sounds more like an unimplemented feature than a bug.

Many problems and bugs fixed, great, but: there is still the "old & buggy" version under www.apple.com... :-(

What about posting updates (or even nightly builds) somewhere ? Maybe not officially via the www.apple.com site, but why not via ADC and connect.apple.com, just for developpers ?

thx & regards,
Olivier

PS: moveable type is great, but "lightgrey" on white for the comments, that is not very nice for the eyes... I know it's the default setting, but that is easy to change :)

David,

I enjoy reading your blog from time to time. I have a suggestion to implement into Safari, but i'm not sure if it is possible. It would be TOTALLY SWEET if there was a way to stop or block animated banner ads. Specifically the "IF FLASHING YOU ARE A WINNER" ad. I can't stand this ad and it seems like it is always on my favorite websites. Maybe you could implement some ctrl or right click menu to stop animated image or to stop flash movie.??

;-) ivan

Hi. Just to add to the list of sites that Safari has problems with... My Own Homepage!!! :-) You can find it on http://ernst.mulder.com/calculators/ and it uses something I was always dead against but now use myself ... framesets within framesets. The only (frame capable) browser that I had problems with before was the .0 version of MSIE 5 (Mac). Other browsers cope with it fine. The frame on the left opens a frameset into a frame on the right. Safari doesn't like it. Now I know it's probably terrible HTML and framesets are ugly but that's just how it is. One day it'll all be MySQL but for the moment it's copy-and-page HTML.

Everyone talked about nightly build when Safari was first released, but the only actual update I had the chance on download was v51 on Apple's website and it's been a while. Is there another place where we can get later versions of Safari that I'm not aware of?

About the title attribute:
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/global.html#h-7.4.3

"Values of the title attribute may be rendered by user agents in a variety of ways. For instance, visual browsers frequently display the title as a "tool tip" (a short message that appears when the pointing device pauses over an object). Audio user agents may speak the title information in a similar context. For example, setting the attribute on a link allows user agents (visual and non-visual) to tell users about the nature of the linked resource:"

can you tell me whether i can expect a fix to html right aligned unordered list items in the next release?

if not, i think that a site redesign (or at least left aligned list items) is needed.

...here's hoping
:)

Where can these fixes to the Safari code be found? They aren't obviously linked anywhere from this blog which documents them... (!) but should be. I would like to link directly to them from my website as well..

Matt, you just gotta wait until the next Safari Beta.

Here's to hoping it's soon.

There probably won't be nightlies at any point.

They are trying to present as bug-free as they can. If you are trying to track across several versions, it just makes life complicated from the point of view of fixing bugs if a couple of hundreds of thousands of users filing bug reports, suggestions, and other miscellaneous things.

Was this bug supposed to be fixed by this version? Is it in the to-do list for another revision? Is this a new bug to this revision, and thus isolated to the already changed code? CASE tools can help this process, but by clearing this layer-at-a-time it makes their life significantly easier when debugging.

It also allows them to alpha test new features for the web browser without releasing them to the public at alpha-level quality. Finally, if their feature-set isn't fully determined, this helps them by letting them test out a new idea and then not having disgruntled users when they have to pull the idea for whatever reason.

The reason the v51 was released had to do with two very annoying and potentially destructive bugs dealing with the option-download and the print. Unless they find similar, highly destructive bugs I doubt we are going to see another

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