http://inessential.com/?comments=1&postid=2343 is of some interest to you, then :)
Posted by Richard Soderberg at January 21, 2003 3:09 PMI actually read this post using NetNewsWire! You might just leave a handy instruction/post linking to your RSS file and how to add RSS feeds. Also, you might consider changing the Channel Title to something a bit more descriptive that "Surfin' Safari'.
Just suggestions, mind you, I certainly don't mean to preach. Love your blog, love the progess that you guys are making on Safari, love the idea of webcore in the near future.
Keep up the amazing work!
Posted by Jim Ray at January 21, 2003 3:22 PMDave -- you have no idea how much I'm looking forward to the release of Safari WebKit. I'm totally excited.
The current HTML renderer in NetNewsWire is just NSAttributedString's initWithHTML.
Posted by Brent Simmons at January 21, 2003 3:36 PMReading this through NetNewsWire too. It rocks. Only bad thing is; i use Safari less then i'd like to now. And here's my solution:
You speculate on NetNewsWire using the Safari WebKit to display HTML, but how about turning it around? Why not include an RSS reader in Safari? It would make way more sense to me: Subscriptions and descriptions in a bookmarks-page layout, the whole iTunes look-and-feel...
Keep the web where you meet it first; the Browser.
Now go and ask Steve, he'll agree with me.
I put their badge on my site and the next thing I know half my traffic is from NNW. Just put the badge up as he apparently checks referrer logs and adds those.
Posted by codepoet at January 21, 2003 3:44 PMGood point and good potential. I've personally always been very fond of MacReporter, which is really my way of getting around the internet. www.inferiis.com NetNewsWire seems to require just a little too much effort by comparison, but then again I am a bit of a slouch.
Love Safari, naturally!
Nf
Posted by Nikolaj at January 21, 2003 3:44 PMDude! You just found NNW(l)? This is the one application that causes me to cry when I have to use a Linux box at work. The best, most inovative application I've seen on Mac OS X. (er... besides Safari, of course...)
Posted by Genady at January 21, 2003 3:49 PMCan you guys work it out so that when I close a Safari window that was opened from NetNewsWire I'll be returned to NetNewsWire instead of having to click back to it?
Does Safari get a GURL AppleEvent from NNW or is it just opening a system http:// dispatch?
Posted by uucee at January 21, 2003 3:54 PMYet another person reading your site through NNL. Heck, NNL is probably the best little peice of third party Mac software out there. It does one job - perfectly. And it's completely Mac.
Posted by Daniel Von Fange at January 21, 2003 4:08 PMActually, Dave, you are already under the default list. Check the 'Weblogs 0-F' section for 'Confessions...'
Posted by Robert Daeley at January 21, 2003 4:11 PMEven yet another person getting your blog via NNW. Echoing what titato said, a lot of people seem to feel that as RSS gains ground, aggregators will be built into browsers. It makes sense to me. On the other hand, Ranchero does kick @$$ with NNW, and I'd feel somewhat disloyal abandoning it, given how I cherish it now.
Posted by ton loq at January 21, 2003 4:50 PMHello, Dave! Now I must thanks you not only for Safari, but for
NetNewsWire. I have been a great fanatic of MacReporter (and I
continue it being), and sometimes proved a beta of NetNewsWire, but
when I red your message I could not less than to unload it, and I am
surprised with all its benefits... I do not say that already it has
removed to MacReporter from dock, but...
Only it would request something more to you... than you respond to
some of the 123,456 fanatics and users of Safari about tabbed browsing
capabilities... ; -)
Greetings from Colombia!
Posted by Mauricio Jaramillo M. at January 21, 2003 5:01 PMDid someone say Kate Bosworth naked?
Posted by michael at January 21, 2003 6:44 PMPersonally, I use LiveJournal :-). I'm a paying customer so it aggregates RSS for me. Nice, easy, in my style, and available 24/7.
Posted by Patrick Quinn-Graham at January 21, 2003 7:02 PMKeep the web where you meet it first; the Browser.
Now go and ask Steve, he'll agree with me.
Agreed, this is something all web browsers should have.
Brent, since this will obviously be a post-1.0 feature, I have a question for you. When I scroll the "(New headlines)" list it often skips me back to the previous selection (I scroll with my arrow keys), is there a way to avoid this?
Posted by ealar at January 21, 2003 7:18 PMHummm... I keep the cursor in the NNW icon in the dock (I want to keep in the dock). And... surprise! All the news in the dock, like MacReporter... Sorry, Inferiis, but bye-bye, MacReporter...
Posted by Mauricio Jaramillo M. at January 21, 2003 7:23 PM
I'm confused, where are the naked photos of Kate Bosworth on Safari? Am I in the wrong place?
NetNewsWire Rocks!
Keep the good work!!!
Posted by Dale Sorel at January 21, 2003 8:16 PMI have to say, that's got to be one of the fastest Google pickups in history, or has google always been that freakily fast. After I read the sufin' safari weblog I did a search for Kate Bosworth Naked (errr, strictly on a scientific basis, of course) and THIS weblog was the TOP result. It was posted at 3:03pm pst, and I'm reading it at 8:20pst. Holy shit.
p.s. - yes, another NNW fan. Love to see some cross-integration between the two apps. All you had to do, Dave, apparently, is to sleep with kate bosworth and you made it into the default NNW default RSS. Not too shabby.
You might be interested in Jason Kottke's suggestions about the potential integration of NNL, Sherlock and Safari, complete with mockups
http://www.kottke.org/03/01/030108why_are_safa.html
Keep up the good work! And make sure Apple doesn't to to Ranchero what it did to the makers of Watson! If you're going to integrate an RSS aggregator, do it w/ the help of NNL, not as a competitor.
Posted by jake walker at January 21, 2003 9:34 PMNo, an RSS aggregator should not be integrated into the browser. This is a very, very specialized app with a very, very small set of users.
Posted by pb at January 21, 2003 10:03 PMKate Bosworth Naked Rockz!
err... sorry, wrong channel.
NetNewsWire Rockz!
yeah, that's it! :)
Posted by Pedro Melo at January 22, 2003 1:59 AMNo, please keep Safari lean and clean! No tabs, no rss feeds, no bloat. Love Safari!
- David from Denmark
I read your pages on NNW too. Yes, it rocks, and Yes, it will use WebCore. I read it on the authors weblog on NNW :-)
Posted by Gabriel Radic at January 22, 2003 4:05 AMThe benefit of WebKit is that Brent Simmons can continue writing the best RSS aggregator in the world (which NetNewsWire currently is, IMO), and that he doesn't have to waste time reinventing the wheel to display full HTML feeds (when available.) The Kottke-uber-everything browser idea has already been skillfully debunked here ( http://daringfireball.net/2003/01/nottke.html ) and here ( http://www.0format.com/archive/000213.php )
Posted by d.w. at January 22, 2003 7:20 AMI'd really, really like to switch to NetNewsWire Lite, but my current headline aggregator SlashDock reads VersionTracker headlines, which, unfortunately, nobody else does right now. Anybody have any kind of RSS feed for VersionTracker? Looks like NewsIsFree has one, but I don't like their 5-headline limit, and on a premium trial membership I still can't go past 5.
Posted by Rufo Sanchez at January 22, 2003 9:17 AMD'oh, forgot the link due to e-mail style quoting... (http://homepage.mac.com/stas/slashdock.html)
Posted by Rufo Sanchez at January 22, 2003 9:18 AMUntil Apple implements auto-proxy .pac files and proxy socks 5 authentication into OS X, I can't use software like Safari, NetNewsLive and others that use the OS proxy settings and not thier own.
God bless apps like Watson and Chimera that have filled this void (Chimera lets you use an auto-proxy .pac file and Watson has it's own proxy settings preferences. Both work behind our corporate firewall.
Also on the browser front, even if your browser supports auto-proxy, you cannot run java applets because the java applet in OS X uses the OS proxy.
These and other problems (Apple, have you ever heard of V-Lans?? We use them in the real world)will keep OS X out of corporate arena, much to my dissapointment...
Posted by Carlos Trevino at January 22, 2003 1:48 PMI can't wait until NNW uses Safari WebKit!
Posted by jeff at January 22, 2003 1:52 PMfor the love of god, can someone *please* point me to the naked Kate Bosworth pics!? please? i'm begging. i've been wanting to see Kate naked since i watched Blue Crush this weekend. Michelle Rodriguez is hot too.
Posted by brian at January 22, 2003 1:59 PMDave,
Brent has done a fabulous job with NNW. He also has a great vision for media-blogging as well so that multi-m can be added as easily as text in the Weblog editor talking to your favorite blogging tool.
I absolutely love it.. even as a Radio VAR !
And Safari is just fantastic. Just wish my blog made of CSS worked on it !! Take a look if you can... http://www.itown.com/hkblog/
Keep up the great work, and more thanks than you know for blogging on the development. It's so cool !
Harvey - mayor of itown !
Posted by Harvey Kirkpatrick at January 22, 2003 2:38 PMOh great - you did that just so you'd pop up at the top of the Google search for kate Bosworth Naked. next you'll be telling us you have this great new web browser that you'll release when you get back from your darn ol' safari. Shooting all those animals isn't good, you know.
Posted by Adam at January 22, 2003 2:59 PMWhats with all the trolls? This isn't slashdot, idiots.
Carlos: The OS proxy settings don't work?
Posted by Ben at January 22, 2003 4:40 PMCheck out http://www.them.ws/feeds/index.php for many screen-scraped rss feeds (including one for version tracker).
Ben
Posted by ben at January 22, 2003 6:07 PMa late comment on the rss feed ideas. rather than impliment an rss parser in safari, sherlock seems like the perfect candidate for such a project. this would avoid the conglomeration of sherlock and the browser and would provide another one of the few sherlock channels that are useful. i'm assuming that once safari is out of beta, the webcore will be used in rendering html in sherlock as well as help viewer (is this a valid assumption?)
Posted by thechump at January 22, 2003 10:27 PMBen,
OS X has basic support for manual proxies, not auto-config proxies (.pac files).
The end result is that we cannot use Software Update, Sherlock, NetNewsWire, Java Applets, and any 3rd party software that relies on the OS proxy settings.
On the browser side, unless we use Chimera with the hidden auto-proxy setting, we have to manually enter all internal addresses that should not use the proxy into the system prefs of every box. Also we cannot access https sites.
This may seem trivial to some, but when trying to keep our Macs in a mostly microsoft centric area, it's a major headache if not a death knell for the platform.
Carlos
Posted by Carlos Trevino at January 23, 2003 6:14 AM