two webs?

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I sure hope not, but it's looking more and more like there will be two distinct experiences of the Web, one that moves forward with impressive applications and exciting and fast new capabilities, and one that's stuck in a performance dungeon and offers little or nothing new for users.

Will Internet Explorer and Opera join the modern era of browsers and build JS engines that can compete? Or will they continue to hold us all back?

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I don't think being ~4 times faster at the Sunspider test really proves anything 1 way or the other. Super fast Javascript engines may help the future of web development, but so would super fast DOM rendering which is something Firefox isn't all that shining at and has some pretty specific bugs around things like large tables and repeated use of the same element.

I'm having a fast Javascript engine is good, but I don't think at the moment it makes such a big difference it makes 2 webs.

Opera will catch up, IE is behind on java script and html. Opera has the fastest html

Asa you may get a kick out of this:

Google feels Opera’s pain:
http://operawatch.com/news/2009/01/google-feels-operas-pain.html

If you can bug the Microsoft team to tell the web developers to stop blocking browsers becuase they have not tested them, that would be nice


Why Open the Web?

Despite the connecting purpose of the Web, it is not entirely open to all of its users. When used correctly, HTML documents can be displayed across platforms and devices. However, many devices are excluded access to Web content.

http://my.opera.com/community/openweb/info/

Performance dungeon:
data:text/html,<script>setTimeout("b=document.body;while(1)b.innerHTML+=b.innerHTML")</script>!

Hey, it's very unprofessional to say that just because Firefox and Chrome have better results in sunspider, the browsing experience is so distinct. Javascript is not all the web is about.

Who cares, no one uses Opera.

@tomas.splatch:

and that is just one single benchmark, developed to highlight one engine. And the dumb article dubbs it an "industry standard". Seriosuly.

hey, IE8 claims to have best support with CSS 2.1, that bastards from Mozilla/Opera/Google totally hinder progress of web development -.-

no, seriously: slow JS is not an issue. First website developers should get their stuff right (eg. not blocking browsers "just 'cause") and then flame about speed, but not the other way round.

I think this is one of the most silly post I've read in a while.
Like the browser can CREATE the contents instead of being just a tool to accessing the contents. And like the problem with the Internet was the technology instead of people not having anything to tell.
Lame.

Perhaps a little harsh to group Opera with IE. Their JavaScript engine was for a good while until the this latest round of improvements easily the fastest.

My guess is they've been caught with their trousers round the ankles a little in this case. How long did it take until TraceMonkey was ready for inclusion in a potential release branch?

And as others have pointed out though JavaScript is only one speed variable; and this is horribly poor journalism – even if the basic fact that Opera and IE haven't *yet* responded to recent moves in Safari/Firefox/Chrome is true.

Funny that you didn't mention this when Firefox and IE were slowpokes compared to Opera and Safari...as recently as a year ago: http://nontroppo.org/timer/kestrel_tests/

As it is totally unproductive to insult you, I won't do what you are doing to these browsers right now: insulting them.

I know that you are a Firefox fanboy, you are even paid to do things like this, but please don't lie: Opera is not holding Firefox and other competitors back!
They have nearly always supported competition and preached for an Open Web everyone can access (and yes, that includes Firefox AND Chrome AND Internet Explorer AND Safari AND all the others).

Even if Opera javascript engine is "crap" (actually it isn't, just read David Bloom comment), this won't hold Firefox back, as you have previously stated, Opera market share is below 1%, how could they hold the web back alone?

Not even saying that CNET used an...Opera Alpha build to test the performances!

You do very bad journalism here, because you put Opera and Internet Explorer in the same way, and they absolutely don't have the same influence on the web!
But I'm not holding my breath to see you changing your position...you are unfortunately always trying to BASH competition.

I recently bumped into this: http://www.jsballs.com/benchmark.html

I guess all it means is that careful benchmark selection lets you say any story you want!

When will Firefox join the modern era of browser and no longer have lousy DOM, CSS and layout performance?

This post says two things:
1 - every benchmark says something different: this tests raytracing and cryptograpy in JS, but doesn't test getElementById or the DOM manipulation, and also, doesn't test the performances in interpreting and applying CSS and layout, and I think that there will be more people manipulating the DOM than people doing raytracing on JS
2 - nobody is going to do the same thing 5000 times... but most times a script will access the DOM, parse JSON, put the HTML back into the DOM and that's it

These tests are totally irrelevant in most scenarios

"Who cares, no one uses Opera.

Posted by: Ceylan | January 31, 2009 1:09 AM" Be surprised a lot of people do.

And what snapshot of the Alpha did they test? Don't forget Opera 10 is only just an Alpha the features are not final. See what the competition brings to the browser market, browsers compete to see who has the fastest and most stable browser, something IE did not want at all. THis is one of the reasons IE and Microsoft are in the hot seat with the EU. This is to make the playing field more open to the others who are not IE.

Early I mentioned the Open the Web that Opera operates (http://my.opera.com/community/openweb/info/) that is so that all browsers have access to any site


I have to admit my least favorite browser is IE it is extremely slow and lags in web standards support

This Asa guy is like my 2 years old kid.

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