Asa Dotzler: Firefox and more

October 5, 2005

beta 2 close at hand

I've been too busy working on making Firefox 1.5 Beta 2 happen and working with Ian and his team to finalize designs for the next generation of SpreadFirefox to find much time to post here this week. Sorry about that. Here's some good news, though. We're very close to shipping Firefox 1.5 Beta 2. If you want to help us test out some candidate builds, here's where to get 'em.

Windows --> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/2005-10-04-18-mozilla1.8/
Linux --> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/2005-10-04-18-mozilla1.8/
Mac OS X --> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/2005-10-04-18-mozilla1.8/

Let me know if you find anything seriously wrong with these builds. Oh, and yes, when we ship Beta 2, all of the people using Beta 1 will be able to automatically upgrade to beta two using our new update mechanism (and yes, "patch updating" will be available so you won't have to download the whole thing :-)

update: we've got new builds. If you were seeing that highly visible crasher in these candidates, please test the new builds and let me know if it's fixed (we're pretty sure it is.) Thanks. Here's where to get 'em.

all --> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/2005-10-05-18-mozilla1.8/

Posted by asa at 7:57 AM

 

reactions, thoughts, comments, etc.

Cant you even link the damn thingy?

Posted by: Ispide | October 5, 2005 8:47 AM

Build 2005100418 for Mac OS X crashed on http://my.yahoo.com each time I tried to send the password via the request form of the my.yahoo.com e-mail module, which is NOT the standard login of my.yahoo.com. The nightly of 2005-10-03 (06 or 07, can't remember) didn't have that problem.

A talkback report was sent.

Dex

Posted by: dex_sf | October 5, 2005 8:51 AM

Not serious, but very annoying. The preferences dialog is to small, controls are not completely visible. And the dialog is not resizable. Same in Beta 1.

Posted by: Martin | October 5, 2005 9:12 AM

"Sorry about that. Here's some good news, though."

I thought you were gonna say that you saved a bunch of money on your car insurance by switching to Geico. See what TV does to us? lol

To Martin: #BrowserPreferences {width: 500px !important; height: 450px !important;}

That userChrome.css works very well "Sorry about that. Here's some good news, though."

I thought you were gonna say that you saved a bunch of money on your car insurance by switching to Geico. See what TV does to us? lol

To Martin: #BrowserPreferences {width: 500px !important; height: 450px !important;}

That userChrome.css works very well

Posted by: Firefoxiztehsex0rz | October 5, 2005 9:40 AM

I hope "the next generation of SpreadFirefox" won't be hacked as easily as the previous one.

Posted by: Poop | October 5, 2005 9:40 AM

Ack, the text doubled when there was an error in submitting due to a missing email address. Sorry about that.

Posted by: Firefoxiztehsex0rz | October 5, 2005 9:41 AM

Will people who have their app.update.channel set to "nightly" also be able to "patch update" to Beta 2?

Posted by: Frank | October 5, 2005 9:57 AM

Nothing "seriously wrong", but wrong enough to keep me with the 2005100307 build: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311136 (I've also had more crashes with yesterday's and today's nightly - though I'm not sure how much is due to extension incompatibilities).

Posted by: Simon | October 5, 2005 10:06 AM

Asa-

Any way for me to kill my SpreadFirefox account? I never use it, and only get the periodic "we've been hacked" email, which makes it more trouble than it is worth (read: no worth to me).

Posted by: David Schontzler | October 5, 2005 10:17 AM

When I've opened Firefox for hours without any interaction (--> webmail) then it's not possible to fill in a web form because the "find as you type" starts instead of writing text into the form. I've seen this for the last 2 weeks or so. I'm using Firefox 1.4.x nightbuilds with automatic update. I'm not sure if this still occures with the last build of the last night.

Toxy

Posted by: Toxy | October 5, 2005 10:22 AM

David, if you read the article, status page and such on the SFx downtime, note it says a new site will be launced imminently. It says October 15th but it may well be before. It will then be in development, and in progress to be a very different and better SFx than you've come to know. So, I'd urge and advise you to wait on that, and see from there really! Hope this helps ;)

Posted by: Kris Silver | October 5, 2005 11:08 AM

Asa, well you guys ever fix the bugs with alot of votes and will you include profile managemnet in firefox?

Posted by: H | October 5, 2005 11:29 AM

profilemanage "INTERFACE" I should say. tools>Profile manager> change profile rather then MAKE SURE FIREFOX IS CLOSED start>run>firefox -p>select profile

Posted by: h | October 5, 2005 11:33 AM

H, no.

- A

Posted by: Asa Dotzler | October 5, 2005 11:46 AM

Toxy: Yeah, I've seen that a lot too. I first saw it shortly before the Beta 1 release, I was hoping it had been fixed by now. *sigh*

Posted by: Justin | October 5, 2005 12:02 PM

By log in into www.ft.com firefox is crashing every time. I never had the problem before. It's the first time.

Posted by: Ita76 | October 5, 2005 12:29 PM

I have same experience as dex_sf, whenever I login to my.yahoo.com in order to rate a news story on it... crash!
It happened with yesterday's nightly, it happens with today's Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8b5) Gecko/20051005 Firefox/1.4.1

I'v sent several Talkback crashes.

Ita76's problem on www.ft.com may be the same issue.

Posted by: S Page | October 5, 2005 12:43 PM

Asa, is it possible that we could get a beta 3 and then two release candidates? There are quite a few bugs that really shouldn't be in a polished release such as 1.5.

~B

Posted by: Bryan | October 5, 2005 1:36 PM

Asa,

Will 1.5b2 have all the security fixes of 1.0.7?

Ajar.

Posted by: Ajar | October 5, 2005 5:56 PM

@Ajar: Yes.

Posted by: Rishi | October 5, 2005 7:33 PM

Thanks for the info - and also for all your work that you put into SpreadFirefox!

One quick question: when will we start to see universal binaries of Firefox for Mac (PPC/x86). Currently there are only one or two builds floating around from the first round of betas that are for x86...

Posted by: John | October 5, 2005 9:11 PM

I have got a third build for Firefox 1.5 b3 from
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/2005-10-06-05-mozilla1.8/

It works fine for me so far :-)

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8b5) Gecko/20051006 Firefox/1.4.1 ID:2005100604

Posted by: enduser | October 6, 2005 8:38 AM

1.5 b2, not b3 ;-)

Posted by: enduser | October 6, 2005 8:40 AM

Am I assuming the current build to test is
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8b5) Gecko/20051005 Firefox/1.4.1 ID:2005100506

Is that correct?

It would be very helpful to post build numbers when referring to test releases.

>

Posted by: Dan Smart | October 6, 2005 8:46 AM

The FF QA Blog has not pointed to the ID:2005100604 release. Should we begin testing this?

Posted by: Dan Smart | October 6, 2005 8:50 AM

is it possible that we could get a beta 3 and then two release candidates? There are quite a few bugs that really shouldn't be in a polished brelease such as 1.5.

Not alluding to anything which wouldn't have happened if the trigger bug hadn't been delayed for a fortnight by malicious checkins, are you?

- Chris

Posted by: Chris C | October 6, 2005 9:48 AM

[quote] Asa, well you guys ever fix the bugs with alot of votes and will you include profile managemnet in firefox?
Posted by: H on October 5, 2005 11:29 AM
profilemanage "INTERFACE" I should say. tools>Profile manager> change profile rather then MAKE SURE FIREFOX IS CLOSED start>run>firefox -p>select profile
Posted by: h on October 5, 2005 11:33 AM[/qote]

H, no. - A[/quote]

no? So that means votes don't even count? even over 500 votes you still would fix the bug, or do feature enhancements..

Posted by: h | October 6, 2005 10:58 AM

To quote the Spice Girls: What part of "no" don't you understand?

- Chris

Posted by: Chris C | October 6, 2005 2:19 PM

Oh please discontinue the Linux installer version as is there really any point for it with the way it works, unlike the windows installer?

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=308575#c27
Asa, beta1 -> beta2 incremental is just not going to work if people installed a
linux installer. And I think we should just stop shipping the linux installers
altogether, as we've discussed.


I have seen a lot of posts where linux users could not get the linux installer to complete the install properly for whatever reason when the regular tarball worked, or not to mention newer Linux users expecting that since it is a installer of sorts, it should naturally make links onto desktop, menu, etc and then wonder why that does not happen.

Posted by: James | October 6, 2005 6:47 PM

@h, no, as in the profile manager will be less accessable in the future, not more (that's what Asa has said recently in Bugzilla, and here now).

Posted by: Hass | October 6, 2005 8:01 PM

As far as SFx, I’m excited and anxious to see the change and will wait for however long it takes. And for 1.4.1, only one problem for me that was resolved quickly. Great work!

Posted by: KenS | October 6, 2005 8:14 PM

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