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Dave Winer explained that RSS was a "juggernaut" and that OPML is "the next web."

Dean Hachamovitch and Amar showed us IE 7 under the theme "Longhorn Loves RSS." IE7's RSS support appears to be a combination of Firefox's Live Bookmarks and Safari's feed view. It's so innovative that it even does RSS auto-discovery and "shows an RSS icon right in the chrome."

Microsoft will be extending the RSS 2.0 specification and release their extensions under a Creative Commons license. The extensions seem to be primarily in simple ordered lists (not hiearchical OPML).

The core of the platform described so far seems to be a feed store in longhorn. This persistent storage mechanism will be accessible through published APIs and most or all Longhorn applications from Microsoft will be RSS aware.

We may see some of this in pre-Longhorn XP (with IE 7?)

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*snigger* Cool that they're already copying that stuff.

and extending .. aghh

I think it's about damn time they did something under a CC license but it makes you wonder what and how they're extending the RSS 2.0 spec

I just hope that tabs in IE7 aren't going to be like they are in the new msn toolbar .. they do that and I think it's only going to be a helping hand to MoFo

and I do agree with ya Asa 100% .. the msn toolbar tabs suck .. plain and simple

but all in all the RSS bits in IE7 warrants a lil looksee ..

JohnB: The tabs in IE7 are going to be bad unless they reverse a highly questionable design decision. See Asa's previous blog about this.

After reading the RSS-in-Longhorn announcement I immediately checked your blog (even though I already do everyday, although at home via RSS) to see if you had a response. You did, along the lines of what I expected. :)

It's amazing the spin Microsoft can get away with... Tabs, popup blocker and RSS in Internet Explorer are considered "innovative"? Behind is more like it.

Come on guyz, just the other day you were saying microsoft needs to improve IE greatly in version 7 even it means playing catch up. They obviousley have, and now you can do nothing else but start in on another product (MSN Toolbar). I think we should applaud them for actually listening to everyone for a change.

P.S. I still won't ever use IE again, dispite gains on the platform.

Like someone on /. said, MS don't seem to get the "RS" part of it.

Seems IE7 will be nice. RSS like Safari 2.0 is great.

@DanVersion1

"They obviousley have"

Well, their feature list looks good, but their implementation is looking questionable. We don't know what they're going to do.

"and now you can do nothing else but start in on another product (MSN Toolbar)"

Eh? MS releases an actual implementation of tabs for a browser, which may show what they're driving for with tabs in IE7, and Asa is supposed to not comment on it?

"I think we should applaud them for actually listening to everyone for a change."

No one asked for them to "extend" the RSS spec. If it wasn't for that, the reaction would probably be more positive.

Oooh better RSS feeds, Ooh tabbed browsing, ooh a spinning wheel that controls your mind. That's amazing Microsoft, I don't see innovation what-so-ever; been there(Firefox) done that (Firefox). I absolutely dont care either. That accounts for the people actaully keeping up with all that crap. What about security updates, more secure os, pluggin up a blackhole that sucks people in. Thats the only importance. I could Care less if Microsoft has a browser that can juggle rocks, shoot for the moon and drink coffee all day at the same time.

Thanks Asa, for imforming us about how prehistoric dinosaurs can still exists.

I like the IE look. MSFT is trying to make a more secure browser, we should be happier for all end users that will be safer no matter what browser they use.

F. Elz, IDK if you were thinking this, but your comment just sparked an important point in my mind. If Explorer gets more secure than 85% of browsers become more secure and the overall spread of virus's will steadily slow. This is a victory for everyone. I know there was not any mentions of security features, but I'm sure they're there.

more info available here: http://www.microsoft-watch.com/

As for the IE 7 security, the most major change will probably be that it'll run with less OS privileges. However that's only for the Longhorn version I think, as it requires the new user mode that OS will present. See also here:

http://www.techweb.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=164302195

"As a result, even if a malicious site attacks a vulnerability in IE, the site's code won't have enough privileges to install software, copy files to the Startup folder, or hijack the settings for the browser's homepage or search."

Jug--

Yea that seems like it will fix some of the problems for the end users.

Althouth the Live Bookmark feature is nice I believe the Safari (and soon IE7) way of handling RSS is simpler for the end user. I think a combination of FeedView[1] and Sage[2] would be a better solution than the current Live Bookmark implementation.

http://www.epigoon.com/?page=feedview
http://sage.mozdev.org/

So that's why they put that icon instead of rss. I understand. so IE will have that problem to.

Here is More information, on the CC lincense

IE7 - Great new browser... For me to poop on.

I suppose they've finally stopped allowing web developers to abuse people with malicious javascript, popping unwanted ads all the time. Jeez, about time!

I don't think anyone will bother to make extensions for IE7, since it's the intellectual property of Microsoft.

IE7 is a paper-tiger. Firefox will continue its relentless march.

Interesting, but not surprising, since Microsoft has a long history of crushing their competition by copying their ideas. I don't see this causing anyone to "reverse switch" from Firefox to IE7--but unfortunately I think IE7 will be good enough to keep a lot of IT departments and your average casual web users from switching. Even though IE6 is pretty clearly inferior to Firefox, for 90+% of users it's still "good enough," and IE7 will just give them more reasons not to try another browser. With their ISP telling them to use IE, their IT department telling them to use IE, and Microsoft's marketing machine behind it, it's going to be very hard for Firefox to ever get to a majority, or even 20% of the market. The first couple percent of users, the ones who know better, are using Firefox already, and evangelism can get Firefox to 10%, but I think from there it's a hard fight against the apathy of the masses. An automatic Windows update that bumps them to IE7 if they're on XP versus downloading Firefox and learning to use it--I'm afraid most users will go the former route.

Although in the end if 80% of users stick with IE6/7, that's their loss. A 10-20% number on Firefox should be enough to force most web developers not to be lazy and only write for/test on IE. And that alone should keep the internet from becoming the IE/Windows-only preserve it would be if it weren't for alternative browsers.

How hard it is to write coding to work in all browsers, their's even tools that can help with this. How retardedly stupid do webmasters have to be to write coding that only supports one browser, They must be extremely slow witted, and biased about what they do and without support for every user. eh oh well their loss. even if ie has most the gain.

Here are some details from IEBlog, Longhorn loves RSS!.

>Dave Weiner

Geez, all I want from a web tool is the functionality I had with MORE 3.11 under Mac OS 6 and 7.

Nothing since comes close, as an outliner with the ability to import and export usable outlines maintaining the relationship between the parts.

www.outliners.com for that software and discussion.

Still works in Classic under OSX, by the way.

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