I wonder how long mpt can keep "Plug-ins" off of his top 10 usability problems in Mozilla list. Maybe he'll see the light and pull "Validation" off the list and add "Make the plug-in experience not suck". Matthew, the evidence is mounting. From massless.org (a top mozilla application evangelist):
I evangelize for the little lizard at work. And while most web developers say, "wow - that's cool and I want to marry Venkman (the Javascript debugger)," most non-web techs find two major roadblocks fairly quickly. 1.) Their favorite site doesn't play their fave Flash animation or 2.) they can't view a certain movie trailer.
Then they email me. Then I feel ashamed. Then I email sloppy love letters to Bjarne Stroustrup seeking validation. Then he does a reverse lookup, traces back, exploits an IIS security hole and leaves my server a smoking ruin. Then I feel ashamed. Then I buy a cat and it pees on my bed. So, then I email sloppy love letters to Adrian Tomine* who performs a reverse lookup, traces back, exploits an Apache security hole...
Which can't be good for the users. To have to watch that?...
So all I know is, in regards to the argument they're having: I'm having a harder time getting people to use Mozilla who otherwise would because they have to think about the whole plug-in situation whereas they didn't in IE.
Which is a point that doesn't really address their argument at all, does it?
And, I have to add, the feature everyone loves is tabbed browsing. :)
Oh, and mpt says we should get rid of tabbed browsing too, " leaving it to the window manager". He's so clearly tuned into the pulse of the users.