I tested this blazingly thing and i am really really impressed how fast it is. Hope they manage to fix the bugs it caused so its on as default for 1.1, because this is really a killer feature.

3 very noticeable bugs (all of them regressions) for the 1.1 alpha release are

. Scaling in PP broken ( https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=267422 )
. Richedit in blogger.com broken ( https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=284245 )
. 15% performance regression on DHTML ( https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=292431 )

Plenty of noticable regressions listed here:
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=261166

Asa (or anybody else that knows) -

Can a nightly built version of Firefox be installed side-by-side with the released Firefox? I want to test the new features, but I also want to be able to surf the web when there are annoying bugs.

I'm running on Windows XP.

Noam: Sure you can. You'll need to tell the installer to install to a new directory, such as "Mozilla Firefox11". Then, uncheck the box "Run Firefox now" (or whatever it says).

Run your new installation of Firefox with the -profileManager option. (I.e. open "Run", and enter something like ["c:\program files\mozilla firefox11\firefox.exe" "-profileManager"] without the boxes, but with the quotes. Create a new profile, for instance "Ff11", and create a shortcut for the nightly installation which automatically uses that profile ("c:\program files\mozilla firefox11\firefox.exe" "-p" "Ff11").

If you run a nightly build on your 1.0.x profile, you will mess up some settings - at least the way tabs are handled is always changed for me when I do so by mistake. Hope this helps you.

Haven't tested nightlies yet so thanks for the info David. Heck ya! So far so good with the blazing back/forward. Tested it on a couple page on my own site as well as some beefy events listing sites at the university I work for and didn't notice any problems yet.

Let's get this in 1.1 so we can crank the fire up a few notches.

Cheers! ~ Kevin

I got a beast build off the cali mirror about 17:30 central time today. I'm not sure what time it landed on that mirror. Twice it's crashed - once on back button, other on forward button. Instances were not flukes, I repeated them.

One was related to numion stopwatch site. I did a test, clicked back arrow, then went to click the forward arrow. Crash. I used to do this procedure a lot to test just rendering speed of ff - not combined with network activity. The other time was on a scout.com message board. Just clicked a thread, read it, then hit the back arrow. Crash.

Neither of these crashes happen if I set "the" pref to 0.

I have to say, this build is really fast anyway. But, the new back/forward stuff is really cool.

That's an amazing feature.

Asa, have mofo thought about changing the start page a bit. like putting there some popular extensions or themes or plugins like flash or something (http://www.google.com/firefox)

Lot's of people who have switched to firefox don't have flash in it and they even don't notice...

OMFG.

now that i've read that about 100 times i have come to the conclusion that he is probably right :p

Onideus_Mad_Hatter, don't spam here... :-(

I hope he had fun.

Give this guy an IP-ban. He just sollicited for it... How stupid can one guy be. He does not even see the difference between a webbrowser created by Mozillazine and the MovableType-weblog that is only used (not created) by the Mozilla Foundation.

I think this 1990 usenet posting is rather appropriate in light of Onideus_Mad_Hatter's comments:

"You are so far beyond being able to understand anything anyone here says that this is just converging on uselessness. The really sad part is that you really believe that you're winning. You are a shocking waste of natural resources - kindly re-integrate yourself into the food-chain...you mindless flatulent troll."

It reminds me of a different Usenet post (original here), Adam:

... by God I KNOW what this network is for, and you can't have it.

The sad part is you probably wasted an hour+ posting those comments, when you could actually ya know... go outside? Get some fresh air? Are you trying to insult us for using a web browser? Thats pretty sad my friend.

> or I can destroy it

Haha, script kiddie, I have a task for you: Get a life.

Good luck.

Please don't make him go outside. He'll probably discover grafitti soon and will destroy them n00b MOR0N home-owners who are so f***in clueless to not put up 10 feet high fences, buy a dozen of pitbulls and invent grafitti-resitant paint.

Well, let's not waste any more words on this and just go on praising the Blazingly Fast trickery :)

Is this the side effect of blazing fast stuff? Impressive. :-)

hatter is such a moron he thinks spamming a weblog is cool
where is your punch video bitch?
tell this board how you are half demon
tell them all about how you single handedly destroy usenet groups, haha yeah right
what a joke you are, the whole inet laughs at your sorry shit
if anyone is interested in seeing this joker in action just subscribe
to alt.2600 and get a good chuckle at his self destructive kook outs

It's another feature introduced by Opera years ago, now copied by Mozilla.
Seems like Firefox is moving in the Opera direction. Good :-)

Onideus_Mad_Hatter, hack me my ip address is 127.0.0.1 ...

J81, it is definately not direction toward Opera:
> going back or forward to a page cached in this way shows the page
> exactly how it was when you left it, in compliance with section 13.13
> of RFC 2616.
> Source: mozillaZine

What's your point? This is exatly how Opera do this. Or do you only mean Firefox 1.0 is not compliant with the standard?

If changes in UI of Opera 8 is a direction toward Firefox (like what, Firefox is the only browser with simple UI?), then features like dragging tabs, spatial navigation and fast back is a direction toward Opera even more.

Minghong: Opera does preserve the state of the page, including form field values, scroll position. In fact, it acts just like the history mechanism suggested by section 13.13 of RFC 2616.

That this feature is added to Firefox too is great, as it means users can easily recover from mistakes, such as when submitting the wrong change to a weblog entry in Movable Type: Go back and start where you left off.

Seems this feature doesn't work on ebay...

My point is that it is toward the direction of standard, not Opera-specific feature. Sorry for the confusion. :-P

> What's your point? This is exatly how Opera do this. Or do you only mean Firefox 1.0 is not compliant with the standard?

MozillaZine mentions that IE and Safari have this feature, err, function, err ... "behavior" as well.

I wouldn't call this behavior something sensational, it's just a small performance win that my mom isn't going to notice, neither would something like spatial navigation be a reason for me to spam, rant and brag on a competitor's forum or weblog. It's also news to me that Opera invented drag & drop. If you can't stand when Vendor A includes a feature/function/behavior that Vendor B already had then turn off your PC and throw it away.

> If you can't stand when Vendor A includes a feature/function/behavior that Vendor B already had then turn off your PC and throw it away.

So true. :-)

Did I say I can't stand it? No, I said: "good :-)".
I am really happy that Firefox is moving in the Opera direction.

Onideus_Mad_Hatter: What the f*ck do you want? What is it that you're trying to prove?

Please leave.

it doesnt really matter to me what browser got what feature first, as long as the browser works and is easy to use. im looking forward to a faster back button :p

one can probably say that with all this innovation going on in browsers today the webusers are more likely to harvest the full potention of the web.

for me websurfing never was as great and comfortable as it is today, in spite of all the malware that is floating around. just remember how crappy internet explorer 3.0 or even netscape 4.x was ... we have really come a long way and i'm glad that it is just getting better all the time.

no sense in discussing this away.

You claim it takes "the admins" a while to delete all your lame ass posts, when in reality it takes one mysql query.

You are just a script kiddy, trying to be cool by messing with someones blog. What are you trying to accomplish?

Guys, just ignore this Onideus_Mad_Hatter thing and back to the topic. ;-)

By the way, for me, I rarely use the forward/back button, as I open new tab for every single page. :-P So this new feature doesn't affect me so much.

Nice to see Firefox moving in Opera's direction again. Clearly, Mozilla realized that they have quite a few things to learn from Opera.

> Nice to see Firefox moving in Opera's direction again. Clearly, Mozilla realized that they have quite a few things to learn from Opera.

Why Opera? AFAIK IE implemented that much earlier.

You are right, Firefox is moving in the IE direction!!! LOLOLOLOL

I don't know that much about this, but I don't think that Opera really complies to the specified standard for this. AFAIK, some pages are meant to reload upon pressing the back button, and Opera doesn't reload anything.

Nice to see Opera moving in the Firefox direction too, by the way. Clearly, Opera realized that they have quite a few things to learn from Mozilla.

Maybe one day Opera and Mozilla will join forces so both the Opera community and the Mozilla community will get less trolls, more products, and less people who think that the two organisations are fighting some form of civil war against each other.

I'm not referring to anyone in this post. :-)