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September 06, 2004

pPp 0.1

Take Firefox with you wherever you go! This 16MB distro, called Portable Phoenix Project (R0.1) looks very promising. Give it a try.

update: And of course, there's Portable Firefox. The more the merrier :D

Posted by asa at September 6, 2004 09:32 AM
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Phoenix? Rather than Firefox? I guess pPp sounds better than pFp.

Posted by: Jon on September 6, 2004 10:16 AM

I got it I am using it, works great !

Posted by: sligh on September 6, 2004 10:31 AM

I was looking for uses for my 16MB memory stick that came with my camera... lol.

Haven't tried it, but if anyone has some screenshots would be nice.

Posted by: Joey on September 6, 2004 11:25 AM

Isn't this the exact same thing as what John Haller already made? It fits on a 16MB thumbdrive also.

Posted by: ripper on September 6, 2004 11:31 AM

I'm doing this development all on my own. There's no rule in Open Source development that states that you must only create one type of everything. Go to sourceforge.net, and look at all the "copycat" programs. The reason people develop projects that may have been underway? The pride in the fact that they accomplished something, and the fact that they're giving people more choices. It's all about choice. Some people may like my version better, some may not. But to state that I "ripped" the idea is a little over the top.

To everyone else: Thanks for supporting me.

Posted by: Cody aka CypherXero on September 6, 2004 11:41 AM

Wow! Now that's handy! Thanks for the links.

Posted by: eliot on September 6, 2004 05:08 PM

There is a full scale project underway to make portable versions of all mozilla products (firefox, thunderbird, sunbird, but not the suite) going on at: http://portable.mozdev.org (site not up yet) .

the project is still in early stages, but it involves John Haller, and a few other ocntributers. We already have released quite a few versions of Portable Firefox, and are working on Portable versions of the other projects.

Posted by: FlashBang on September 6, 2004 05:38 PM

Nice!
Glad to see more than one attempt at this.
Anyone have any suggestions on which one is smaller/faster?
I want to try both out, but time is an issue.
Thanks

Posted by: Jed on September 6, 2004 05:45 PM

Jed:

I cant vouch for the Portable Phoenix Project, but I have been using Portable firefox for more than 2 months now, and I can say that we have reduced the Firefox zip install to as small as it could be.

We also have customized it to fit remote computing uses by minimizing the writes on the drive (thus maximizing the life cycle of the drive).

We are in the process of building an installer that will take this to the next level and solve some outstanding issues with just the traditional zip install (it makes extensions and themes work on ANY computer, which is not possible with any of the other portable firefox installs AFAIK)

So although I havent tried the Portable Phoenix Project, I can vouch both as a member and user of the Portable Firefox project. :-)

Posted by: FlashBanG on September 7, 2004 05:21 AM

Portable Firefox has been under active development since early June (Firefox 0.8+) and is quite stable, and updated to the latest verion 0.9.3. It also includes a GPLed launching program (3rd release) that will make your extensions portable, so you can have a full install on any machine. It is a group effort by several of us on mozillaZine including FlashBanG (posting above).

Portable Thunderbird is also available.

Both PortableFirefox and PortableThunderbird will be moving to mozdev shortly. I got approval on both projects last month.

Posted by: John T. Haller on September 9, 2004 01:52 AM

It seems as if Mr. Haller is following me everywhere, to most forums and places I visit online, making sure to let everyone know he has the "official" portable Mozilla software.

Posted by: Cody aka CypherXero on September 9, 2004 08:03 PM

CypherXero: It seems as if Mr. Haller is following me everywhere, to most forums and places I visit online, making sure to let everyone know he has the "official" portable Mozilla software.

Actually, your package was brought to my attention by more than one concerned user that noticed how drastically yours changed between versions (adding JAR compression, UPX, etc), mimicking Portable Firefox quite closely, after a user on another forum pointed the project out to you. They were worried that you were "ripping it off". I merely posted the Portable Firefox information to the locations they'd made me aware of.

Obviously, anyone is free to use anything else open source-wise, but acknowledging others is generally considered to be fair play. You were also critized in another forum for utilizing the fflaunch launcher in your package without crediting the original author and for making it seem like you'd come up with the entire idea of making Firefox and Thunderbird portable, despite the fact that many of us have been discussing and working on this for months. fflaunch, for instance, has only really been discussed in the original mozillaZine thread that spawned the work on Portable Firefox. So, I'm actually unsure of how you could have been exposed to fflaunch without knowing about all the rest of the work we were doing on making it portable.

If you came up with your project completely on your own, that's great. If not, then an acknowledgement to the launcher author and any content or projects that you drew from online would probably be in order.

As for being the "official" portable software, there are actually 3 seperate projects on mozdev that are ongoing. Mine are PortableFirefox.mozdev.org and PortableThunderbird.mozdev.org (which I will be transitioning to from my own site). Another is Portable.mozdev.org, which will be a branded, customized, installer-based portable suite including Firefox, Thunderbird, Sunbird and NVU. Another is Pocketzilla.mozdev.org which I don't know anything about. (Anybody?)

I don't know. The whole thing seems a tad silly to me. As does the duplication of effort. Portable Firefox and Portable Thunderbird are stable and solid. Tracon, MAI, FlashBanG and myself have gotten some good work done on them. It just seems a bit like a waste to spend time recreating the wheel when we could all combine our efforts. Obviously, if you wish to take your project in a different direction... altering themes, branding and Mozilla code (which you've done)... that's cool, too. And I'll be happy to share any insight we've gained on my website/mozdev, within the forums or with you directly via email.

I look forward to making both our projects the best they can be so everyone can take Mozilla software everywhere!

Posted by: John T. Haller on September 9, 2004 10:27 PM

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